Episode 8
Vic and Victoria Vanstone (Sober Awkward), Sober Alcohol Free Stories, the power of humour and the enormous gratification found in being who we were always supposed to be!
Hi everybody and welcome to Sober Alcohol Free Stories. I'm Victoria and I don't drink. Today I'll talk to Victoria Vanstone, podcaster and author of A Thousand Wasted Sundays. This is a really special episode for me because Vic's podcast has kept me company for three years in my sobriety and she's one of the reasons that I chose to make this podcast for you.
We will hear all about her drinking evolution and the moments that led to her decision to seek therapy and then sobriety. And I'll get the chance to thank Vic and tell her myself that she means way more to me than being the lady who blew her finger off with a firework.
Transcript
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Hi everybody and welcome to Sober Alcohol Free Stories.
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:I'm Victoria and I don't drink.
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:Today I'll talk to Victoria
Vanstone, podcaster and author
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:of A Thousand Wasted Sundays.
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:This is a really special episode for
me because Vic's podcast has kept me
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:company for three years in my sobriety
and she's one of the reasons that I
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:chose to make this podcast for you.
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:We will hear all about her
drinking evolution and the
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:moments that led to her decision
to seek therapy and then sobriety.
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:And I'll get the chance to thank Vic
and tell her myself that she means
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:way more to me than being the lady who
blew her finger off with a firework.
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hi Vic.
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:Thank you so much for
coming on my podcast today.
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:You can probably tell people who know
me will be able to tell that I'm just
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:beaming right now, because played a
big part in my sober story and yourself
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:and Hamish all your wonderful tales
that you tell on your podcast and
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:funny conversations that you have.
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:And, and also, for lots of people I know
that are sabre, we talk about your podcast
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:a lot in our groups, so for you to know
that's such a gift that you have given.
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:I knew when I started this that I was
going to have to ask you to come on,
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:but I did not expect you to say yes.
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I always say yes.
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:I love talking about it.
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:And also, you know, I needed people on
my podcast in the beginning as well.
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:And it's, you have to kind of
give back in that respect as well
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:and just say yes to everybody.
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:I mean, sometimes if I'm really busy with
the kids, I'm like, I just can't fit it
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:in, but you caught me on a good week.
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:So yeah, I'm happy to come on
and chat on your lovely podcast.
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Ah, thank you so much.
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:And so sober alcohol free stories.
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:, with all of my guests, I asked
them to tell their story.
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:And if there are anyone who hasn't
listened to your podcast, they might not
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:know, the story of what took you from
being a party girl, um, who sounds rather
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:like I was, , to the person that you
are now and all of that you've achieved.
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:So I'm just going to hand over to you
and ask you if you can share the story.
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:from Drinker to Vic where you are
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yeah.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
obviously we'll have a bit of a
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:laugh along the way, hopefully,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yeah.
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:I mean, it is funny in a sick sort of way.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: It
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
I'm still a party animal,
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:but a sober party animal now.
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:So yeah, I have changed, but in some ways
and not so much others, unfortunately.
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:But yeah, I am from Reading,
originally in the UK.
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:As you can probably tell by my
accent, I live in Australia now.
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:I have three kids and a husband and I live
up on the Sunshine Coast, which is about
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:an hour north of Brisbane on the beach.
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:It's lovely here.
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:boiling today.
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:It's too hot.
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:I'm sorry if you can hear the
fan in the background, but yeah,
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:it's about 35 degrees at night
or something stupid like that.
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:So yeah, I moved to the sunshine, which
is always a good move when you get sober
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:is to go to a different country and
preferably the other side of the world
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:to get away from all my terrible history.
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:So yeah.
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:I was born into a family who love a drink.
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:I mean, a lot of us Brits are.
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:It was the sort of drinking that
I would describe as celebrational
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:and frivolous rather than toxic.
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:I think that's part of the problem when
it's so ingrained and so normalized.
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:growing up and it's
never seen as a problem.
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:Of course, I didn't think
I don't want to do that.
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:I just wanted to join in.
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:So from a very young age, I
had older brothers and sisters.
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:Everybody was joining
in the party before me.
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:And all I could see about alcohol
was that it made people happy.
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:It made people have fun.
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:Everybody did it.
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:It seemed to relax people
and make them funnier.
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:So I . I never considered as a child
obviously, 'cause my brain was still
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:a bit squishy and, and underdeveloped,
and I just absorbed all the good bits.
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:I thought about booze and just
thought, well, this looks like a laugh.
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:I want in.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Mm-hmm
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
stealing booze out of the
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:garage and outta the shed.
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:It was all piled up in my house.
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:It was everywhere.
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:My parents were real partyers.
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:I never saw anyone like.
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:You know, fighting or passed out
or any of the downsides of alcohol.
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:As I said, I just saw the good side.
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:So yeah, I just started joining in
secret squirreling away booze at the
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:weekends from about the age of 12 to 13.
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:And kind of was always the
instigator from the start.
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:You know, if I had mates over, I was like,
come on, this is what we're going to do.
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:We're not going to the park
or to make Daisy chains.
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:We're actually going to steal booze out
of my parents shed and get fucking wasted.
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:And I thought that made me cool and that
is something that continued throughout my
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:youth was that I used alcohol to create
a personality almost, create a kind of,
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:persona that was fun, that was the party
animal, that was the person you wanted to
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:spend time with because that's all I could
grasp onto because it was all I knew.
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:And that of course led me down some dark
paths, which I realize now were big red
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:flags sort of whipping me in the face.
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:And I never took heed of those
sort of warnings from a young age.
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:They were happening all around me.
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:And it took me many, many years
until actually, until I turned 40 to
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:understand the sort of level of toxicity
of my relationship with alcohol.
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:So as a teen, of course, I
used it to make myself more.
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:You know, confident with boys.
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:I used it to pep up my friendships
and unfortunately at that age, when I
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:was about 14 or 15, I had some really
close friends and they turned on me,
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:not physically, it wasn't a situation
where I was bullied or called any names,
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:but they just decided they wouldn't
want to be friends with me anymore.
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:And that caused me.
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:I didn't realize until many, many
years later, but it caused me to
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:have a little bit of a void in me
that I choose to fill with alcohol.
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:And I think actually then was when
my drinking went from being frivolous
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:like my family's drinking to it
actually being to numb some pain.
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:And I think that's where my
drinking changed from an early age.
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:Yeah.
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:So then I,
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: hard
time that age, isn't it though, for your
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:friends to sort of reject you like that?
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:I've listened to that story.
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:I've heard you tell it and I can relate
to it in a slightly different way.
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:I didn't have the same thing.
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:I just didn't really know anyone.
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:'cause I moved around a lot as a child,
so I was always looking to have friends.
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:have had them and then lost
them in that way is quite hard.
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:Yeah,
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and I think I undermined that pain
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:actually a little bit and now years later,
I do understand that sort of trauma is
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:relative and like, you know, I might not
have been, as I say in the book, locked
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:in the cupboard like Harry Potter, but
I did have a level of pain that caused a
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:reaction within me and it didn't matter.
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:Whether it was massive trauma or medium
trauma, It affected me in the way that
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:I lived my life and my emotional state.
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:And therefore it led me to
want to numb out that pain.
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:And the only way I knew how
to do that was to drink more.
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:So it kind of led to more destructive
behavior because I had a little bit
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:of a broken heart and I didn't know
how to deal with it as simple as that.
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:And that led to me as I grew into my
older teens, you know, my brothers and
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:sisters were all party animals as well.
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:Every family get together,
involved loads of booze.
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:Eventually that was
recreational drug use.
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:I was growing up in the
nineties, it was LADEC culture.
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:It was ecstasy coming onto the scene,
loads of raves, you know, all of
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:these other influences upon someone
who already had a broken heart.
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:I was the perfect
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
yeah,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
to be like that sort of classic
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:nineties raver who was just off
their nut for about 10 years.
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:So, yeah.
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:Everything just led me to the next
drug, or the next shag, or the
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:next fucked up relationship, or
whatever alcohol was doing to me.
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:It was taking away who I was, and all
that was left over was somebody who
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:was sort of a shell of who they were.
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:Could have been, but I didn't
obviously realize that at the time.
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:I just thought I'm a drinker.
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:I'm a party animal.
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:You can come to me for a good time.
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:You know, you can, I'm a reliable
drinking buddy and that's who I became.
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:So yeah, I went traveling
around the world with my.
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:Problems in my backpack and left
England at the age of about 19 or
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:20 and traveled the world and booze.
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:I ended up at various different
beaches at different parties.
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:One of them being full moon party
in Copenhagen, where I blew my
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:finger finger off with a firework.
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:On the millennium night, just
a little red flag there, which
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:I laughed off the next day.
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:I was like, haha, I blown my
finger off brilliant story.
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:I'm still living off that story now.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: hmm.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
I've still got the scars.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
actually.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yeah.
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:that story does come up a lot nowadays.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: but,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
realize my entire career would
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:be based upon that story.
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:but it is.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
it's true actually . If I'm on a Zoom
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:with sober people and we're talking
about the different things that we
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:use and I will say, Oh, have you heard
of the, the Sober Awkward Podcast?
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:It's Victoria Vanstone, you know, the lady
who blew her finger off with firework.
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:Sorry,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Uh,
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: say
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
I just, when it happened, you just
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:think, oh God, that's just kind of,
it was a badge of honour, because I
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:was like, this is how fucked up I get.
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:I blow digits off my body, because I'm
such a hardened drinker, like this is
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:how, I actually thought it was quite cool
that I had a finger missing for years.
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:Yeah, I realise now that it's absolutely
stupid, but hey, I didn't know any better.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
it shows how far you've come,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Totally,
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
like, gosh, that's, that's where you
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think when you're from a family
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:of people with stories, like my
family love a good story, like an
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:exaggerated, really extreme story.
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:So I was like, Oh, I went now I've
got the best story in the whole world.
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:Now I am slightly humiliated
when I have to tell that story.
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:I mean, I still think it's funny, but
like it was a stupid thing to do.
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:It was like, I didn't blow my
head off quite honestly, but.
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:whenever anything happened to me, like if
I had a weird, terrible relationship or,
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:you know, I overdosed on drugs or I ended
up in a cult or all of this crazy stuff
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:that I got up to in the sort of nineties
and two thousands, I just considered
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:it as part of my crazy story and that I
wasn't living life like everybody else.
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:And I was going to live on the
edge and be a traveler in this.
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:Nomad and just carry my problems
on a backpack wherever I went.
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:And I always felt that I could leave.
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:Like that was the good thing about
being a backpacker and a traveler
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:was if I did do something crazy or
stupid, I could just leave the next
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:day and leave all my problems behind,
which I did often, quite honestly.
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:So yeah, I ended up in Australia after.
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:, being involved with the tsunami and
losing my house and nearly losing
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:my boyfriend in that situation.
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:But that's all in my book,
which we'll talk about later.
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:and ended up in Australia and I
met my husband and things changed
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:a little bit then because for the
first time I met somebody who.
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:for me without the drink in me.
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:And I'd never met anyone like that before.
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:He likes the person that, you
know, lay beneath the beer and the
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:bravado and all the other bullshit.
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:So I kind of was like, Oh, I
let a new side of me shine out.
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:And I became a bit more, you know, I was
always a bit of a tomboy, but I became
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:a bit more feminine and a bit more.
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:in touch with my emotions.
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:I was still heavily drinking at the time.
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:I'm not, when I talk about my
drinking, I'm not talking about
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:somebody who was an alcoholic.
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:I, I don't resonate with that term.
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:Image that springs to mind when somebody
says the word alcoholic is not who I am.
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:I wasn't a daily drinker.
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:Nothing, not that there's
anything wrong with it.
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:It's just a, I think these
terms and these labels.
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:Can put people in a box a little bit
and I don't fit into any of those boxes
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:personally I know for some people that
label can help them understand their
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:problem But for me, it doesn't sit well
on me when I talk about my drinking.
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:I was a binge drinker I was a socially
normalized binge drinker and I drank
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:at weekends or maybe twice a week
Probably more than an alcoholic if
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:you added it all up together I mean
it wasn't every day but when I did
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:go out I went hard and I didn't stop
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
So
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: hmm,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
about my drinking and becoming a mom and
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:all these other things, people pop to this
image of me being this kind of alcoholic
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:parent, lying on the floor covered in
vomit and, taking care of my Children.
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:But that wasn't the case.
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:Actually, if you'd see my Facebook
pictures, you know, my husband and I
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:got married and I got pregnant very,
very quickly when we lived in Australia,
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:if you'd seen the pictures of those
periods, you would have thought.
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:That's just someone
who's kind of got it all.
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:Someone who's very happy, but
actually the P I had a baby and
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:I remember getting pregnant and
thinking, I don't want to change.
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:I don't want this baby to stand in
the way of me and my, my persona.
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:Cause that's all I knew.
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:And I don't think anyone really explains
the transition between party girl and mom.
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:very often.
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:They don't say, this is
going to be massive for you.
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:You go from being this person,
like sipping coconuts on far flung
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:beaches, like I was, to being in an
apartment on my own with a crying baby
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:and I didn't know what I was doing.
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:And it was very, very overwhelming.
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:And my husband went back for work and
I was left holding the baby as it were.
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:And.
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:With that came a different
style of drinking.
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:I'd gone from being the, you know, the
young teenager with the classic, you
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:know, boozing in the park, and then I'd
gone to somebody with a bit of a broken
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:heart and drinking for the wrong reasons.
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:And then I became,, a kind of drug
adult, 20 year old and all of my
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:drinking kept evolving and changing
as each of my emotions changed.
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:And actually, when I became a mom,
I drank to escape the mundanity
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:of being a new mom and all,
everything that came along with it.
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:those evening wines started to pop
into my routine and I started to crave
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:going out at the weekends because
I didn't know who I was anymore.
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:I wasn't the person I knew and I
started going out and every time I
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:went out, I got massively pissed and
got home the next morning and couldn't
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:look after my child the next day.
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:And that was the first ever
consequence to my drinking.
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:So with That came vast amounts of
anxiety and shame and dread until
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:the point where eventually I dreaded
going out because I knew that I
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:couldn't control my drinking If I had
one down the hatch, I was having 10.
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:It was as simple as that.
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:Even if I went out with good intentions,
of course they were down the drain
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:after the first glass of wine and
I was last man standing on any
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:grubby dance floor wherever I was.
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:So yeah.
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:It just developed my drinking over
time and it became clear after
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:the panic went on for four years.
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:Actually, it was a long time of me
trying to moderate, trying to slow
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:down, trying to do better, using all
these different techniques to try, you
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:know, water between wines and all that.
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:Bullshit to try and understand
and continue drinking.
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:Cause that's what I wanted to do.
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:I thought, who am I?
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:If I don't drink, I can't not drink.
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:So I used to just keep trying and
going out and drinking again, never,
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:ever succeeding at moderation.
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:And eventually the anxiety got so
bad, I had a second child, I had
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:another nine months of sobriety, like
this little window of another life.
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:And then after the second baby was six
weeks old, I went out and got massively
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:pissed one night and woke up the next
morning and knew that I just mentally.
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:I could not go on because I, I was scared
for my own life because the anxiety had
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:got so bad that I actually felt like
I was going mad and I couldn't control
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:my thoughts and , that I was going
to die any minute of a panic attack.
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:And that was with, you know, a newborn
baby holding, you know, in my arms
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:crying and me not knowing what to do.
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:So, yeah, I, I reached
out for help that day.
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:I understood that I couldn't
get better on my own.
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:I needed help to recover and I called
a therapist that afternoon and said
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:to my husband, I need help here.
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:I'm failing at moderation and somebody
needs to step in and help me understand
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:my relationship with alcohol.
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:I went into therapy hoping
to become a better drinker.
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:That was my plan.
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:I still laugh about that now.
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:She's going to teach me to do this
really well so I don't get hung over.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
It's like you think there's a secret,
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:isn't there, to being a really good
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Well, I just thought,
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
like you did
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
yeah,
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
you think, hmm, there's got
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:to be a way to do this because
other people do it, don't they?
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:You think they do.
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:You think all these people are like
sitting there having like these glamorous
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:drinks and some of them do, they just
have one And then they go home and
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:that's weird, most people don't do
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
no,
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: most
people do end up getting pissed and then,
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:you know, they probably all do stupid
things, but it's like you fight for this.
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:I know exactly what you mean.
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:Like you're fighting to be
able to just do something that
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:doesn't really exist for you.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
no, it doesn't.
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:No,
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
identity that you've in,
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:and then becoming a mum.
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:And I literally can feel it, like
as you're talking, I can feel like
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:how I felt, because it was the same.
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:And you know, I had developed that
pure identity of the party girl.
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:You'll always have a good time.
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:Well, you know, it will
be a great night out.
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:And I thought that's
what made people like me.
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:And, it's really quite hard then when
you've got a baby and you can't do,
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:you're trying to do those things.
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:And then you're just.
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:end up fucking everything
up, really, don't you?
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:Because you can't really be the
party girl properly, and you can't
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:really be a mum, and like you, the
anxiety for me was just I hated it.
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:I didn't like myself at all, very much.
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It's amazing.
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:But do you know what that is?
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:Like I realized now that the anxiety was
actually, it was my body asking for help.
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:It was my body screaming out saying,
please stop doing this to me.
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:It's hurting.
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:It's hurting me.
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:It's hurting you.
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:It's hurting my brain.
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:Please.
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:it was actually a sign that I
was ignoring for a long time.
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:It was so, it's so obvious now that
when you're having anxiety after
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:drinking, it's caused by the drinking.
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:I just couldn't kind of get my
head around that when I was in it.
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:I was like, I just need to find
out a better way of doing this
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:so that I can carry on being the
only person I know how to be.
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:Because it's not about giving
up drinking in the, at the end
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:of the day, giving up booze is.
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:the tiniest thing you have to do.
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:You have to learn who you are
without it, who you were before it
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:and who you are after it's finished.
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:And that can be really, really hard
to comprehend and understand because
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:you are so used to who you are.
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:And I didn't realize this whole
entire being lived inside me.
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:I didn't know I could do a podcast or
write a book or any of these things.
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:I just sold.
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:Jewelry on the markets.
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:I didn't really ever have a proper job.
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:I was just kind of a bum.
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:I didn't realize that I had a brain that
was sat dormant for so many years and was
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:numbed out by booze and sort of stagnant.
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:And that sort of stuff all comes
alive after you give up drinking, but
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:you never consider that at the time.
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:You never even know that there
is another person that is just
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:desperate to burst out of that kind
of hungover, bloated, drunken body.
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:There's a whole person in there that
was hiding away for so many years,
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:so it really is an incredible I'm not
going to say the word journey because
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:that's wank, but I'm going to say
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: I
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
was an incredible,
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
the word
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
yeah,
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
journey,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
it was an incredible, insight into, it
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:sounds self indulgent as well, but you've
got to be a little bit self indulgent
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:to get better, I think, and you've got
to look, you know, those questions that
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:you lie asking yourself when you're
hungover, like, why am I doing this?
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:Why did I have that extra drink?
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:What's happening to me?
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:Am I an alcoholic?
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:All of those questions, like the
anxiety, are leading you somewhere.
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:And that somewhere is you finding the
answers and those answers are usually
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:when you start understanding that
it's probably time you went sober.
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:And that is why they call it a journey
because it takes a while to really
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:know what's going on with yourself.
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:It took me years to know like.
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:I'll just, I will mention a little
bit in the book because I went to
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:that therapy session going, Hey, I'm
just a stupid mom who overdrinks.
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:I'm a binge drinker and yeah,
I'm not really hot rock bottom,
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:but blah, blah, blah, blah.
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:And I remember just her
saying, why are you here, Vic?
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:Like saying it to me again
and again, why are you here?
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:And I just thought,
why am I here actually?
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:And then I remember saying quite quietly.
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:I think I have a problem with alcohol.
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:And I'd never ever
thought about that before.
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:I just thought it was everything else.
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:It was life.
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:It was problems.
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:I knew it was the alcohol that
I was doing, but I didn't really
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:see that as being the problem.
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:And she asked me again.
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:Why are you here?
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:And I just said, yeah, it's because I
actually have a problem with alcohol.
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:I keep doing something that I
hate and I can't stop doing it.
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:therefore, I have a problem with it.
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:And that's kind of the epiphany.
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:You get a lot of epiphanies in sobrieties,
but those first initial understandings of
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:your relationship with alcohol are what
propel you to find out even more answers.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
yeah, definitely.
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:And it's hard to know what that's going
to be like because you spend so much time.
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:I think it was Lucy Rocker
who said this to me.
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:you know, that cloak of shame that you
carry and what you think of yourself.
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:It's hard to imagine that person
inside that you've now become and
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:I've now become as well is there
because you've spent lots of mornings
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:waking up saying, God, you're awful.
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:You're terrible.
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:Like you tell yourself all these
terrible things about yourself
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:and you weren't awful or terrible.
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:You know, you were just, you were drinking
too much and that impacts how you behave
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:and all of those things, but you've
told yourself the story so many times.
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:It's hard to believe what you could be.
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:It's actually a really nice thing for
anyone who's starting this process to
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:consider, like, I wonder what I could be.
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:I wonder what's in there,
because you don't know.
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:I didn't know I could do a
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
No.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
I have a clue how to do a podcast.
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:And the only reason that I actually
even considered it is because of
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Ah.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
because of Lucy Walker.
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:because I thought it's just brilliant
because stories are so important
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:and sharing them is so important.
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:So that people don't feel
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
I know.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
feel weird.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
also, you have so much more time
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:when you're sober, , you have time
to consider what actually you enjoy.
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:Like, I don't, I know now, I never enjoyed
drinking, but I did it a lot, and it took
457
:up a lot of my mental space, and now I
don't have that preoccupation with it.
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:It frees up space for other stuff.
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:And people often say to me, like, Vic,
what do you do now you don't drink?
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:And I just say, well,
I do everything else.
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:Everything else is like
drinking is such a minor thing.
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:And because I only hung out in pubs
and bars and clubs and everywhere
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:else, I thought drinking is just
what everybody did all the time.
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:I never considered that people
went for walks or went to morning
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:yoga or, you know, anything else.
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:So I never had a chance to . peer into
the lives of others that didn't drink.
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:It's only when I stopped, I understood
that there's so much more to life than
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:just going down the pub and having a pint.
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:So it takes a while to understand who
you are and actually what you enjoy.
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:It took me years to understand that
because I just, as I said, this thought
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:it was about where you give up the
alcohol and that's the end of it and you
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:stop and everything's fine and nothing
changes, but that's not how it goes.
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:It becomes this trajectory
of how you live.
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:Wellness.
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:I know that sounds a bit woo woo and
cheesy, but that is actually what
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:happens to, I think most people in
sobriety is that they give up the booze
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:and then they're like, right, what now?
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:And it becomes this kind of
search, this consistent search
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:of finding out what you enjoy.
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:Which is a lovely process because you
get to try out all sorts of different
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:things, different creative outlets or
different sports, people have to fill
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:that gap where wine used to reside
with other more fulfilling things.
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:And it's actually really
lovely kind of part of it.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Yeah, it is a lovely part of it.
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:And you can't help but want to look
after yourself more and care about,
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:you know, your interests and all of
those things because you just feel
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:you deserve it more, don't you?
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:, it's really, it's very
clear to me in my mind that.
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:you know, I feel sad for the
person that I was because I never
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:felt like I deserved anything.
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:And I did, I just didn't know it.
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:But now it's just also clear.
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:So I do things like I look after my skin.
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:I've, I've learned to run
this year, did the couch to
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Oh, well done.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
say it was enjoyable, but
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
No, that's good though.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
I've done it.
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:Yeah.
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:We'll see how that goes.
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:But you know, you do, you start
learning lots of things, don't you?
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yeah.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
yeah.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
if there's any consolation, this morning,
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:it was my birthday yesterday and I
had a really lovely, like, chill day.
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:And then today some mates of mine
were going to an ice bath session
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:up in Noosa, near where I live.
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:And I was like, yeah,
yeah, I can do an ice bath.
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:And I did one with Hamish
last year on my birthdays.
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:One in his garden, but this was one
where you go into a sauna beforehand.
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:So you get boiling hot for 20 minutes
and then you have to go into this
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:freezing cold, like minus five.
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:I don't even know.
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:It must kind of be minus could have
been frozen, but it was bloody freezing.
515
:I could tell you that.
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:And all of my mates were like in there,
like those Arctic monkeys, like zen with
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:their heads sticking out of the water.
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:Like, isn't this amazing?
519
:And I was like, I couldn't stay
in for more than 10 seconds.
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:I was.
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:Absolutely useless.
522
:So just because you're sober doesn't
mean you become good at all these things.
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:It means you
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
absolutely.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
and then perhaps you never ever
526
:do them again, but at least you're
available to try new things.
527
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
exactly.
528
:At least you're awake.
529
:You're not just in
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yeah.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
You can give it a
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Totally.
533
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
and see what you
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Oh my God.
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:The ice
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Yeah.
537
:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
have been a good hangover cure probably.
538
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
I would have shocked you
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yeah.
540
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: So,
when we first came on, I was basically
541
:thanking you because your podcast and
your book has been amazing, but in my
542
:difficult times in my sort of starting
this whole process time, your podcast was
543
:something that I listened to every day.
544
:I would walk and I would listen to it
and just feel like, I'm not on my own.
545
:I'm not a complete weirdo and
laugh my head off by the way,
546
:also at lots of the antics.
547
:And, I just want to know a little
bit about how that got started.
548
:What made you think of it?
549
:because the concept is brilliant
because it's just funny.
550
:it doesn't feel, I this one is obviously
stories and those are important as well,
551
:but there is something very different,
which is probably why you won the
552
:amazing awards that you won as well.
553
:but about the funniness that goes
with it and making this lighthearted,
554
:but also serious and, and sad
sometimes, this is brilliant.
555
:It's such a great
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
I think Victoria, it's about shame
557
:and understanding that you don't
have to feel shame and that the
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:stories are often quite funny.
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:You know, I don't have any
shame about my past and being
560
:able to free myself from that.
561
:I understand now I'm able to talk
about my sobriety and my drinking with
562
:pride because I comprehend, Oh wait,
we've got a little one coming in.
563
:Hello?
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:What's
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Oh, which one?
566
:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
going on?
567
:George, I'm in the middle of a podcast.
568
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: Hi,
569
:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Always one, isn't there?
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Yeah,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yeah, so
572
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
that's funny.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Where was I?
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
The shame,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yes, so the shame, I'm I
576
:don't feel the shame anymore.
577
:I used to, in the beginning,
because I was sort of embarrassed
578
:about my past behaviours.
579
:But now, I realise that I really
never had a choice about alcohol.
580
:And that has freed me.
581
:It's like, you know, I feel
liberated from that shame.
582
:because it was never really my fault.
583
:Alcohol was coming for me
from a very, very young age.
584
:My parents drank it.
585
:All my peers drank it.
586
:My brothers and sisters drank it.
587
:The culture I grew up were all downing
it in every TV show, every advert,
588
:everywhere I looked, people were drinking.
589
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
yeah,
590
:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
like there was an arrow pointing
591
:at me, being chucked at me and
landing in me and it was booze.
592
:I was looking straight on at it
and I never ever differentiated.
593
:I was like, this is what I'm
going to do and everything is
594
:telling me that this is okay.
595
:And in fact, that information was wrong.
596
:I know that now because I've
re educated myself about booze
597
:with everything that I do.
598
:And I know that is not the right
message, but that is the message
599
:I was getting everywhere I looked.
600
:So therefore I can't really have
a lot of blame on myself because
601
:I never had a choice, but all
I can do is learn about it.
602
:And then hopefully Give my
children a choice like they won't
603
:grow up in a house with alcohol.
604
:You know, I'm not saying my kids will
never drink, but , I think I am giving
605
:them a choice whether they do or not.
606
:And I think that's how I'm able to
create what I do and write what I do and
607
:podcast what I do, because the shame has
been left, , on the wayside along with
608
:that old kebab that I threw in the bin.
609
:Do you know what I mean?
610
:It's like, it's not part of who I am.
611
:I'm able to separate these two
people because they are so different.
612
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Yeah.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
I started writing on the day that I gave
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:up drinking after I walked out of that
therapist's office after 12 weeks of
615
:unraveling my relationship with alcohol.
616
:I sat down and started
writing my book actually.
617
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: hmm.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
I, remember thinking, well,
619
:no one's going to read this.
620
:So I'm going to be a
hundred percent honest.
621
:And it just started off as a
diary of how I was feeling.
622
:And because I felt like the only person
in the world who had given up a binge
623
:drinking habit that hadn't reached
a point of a physical addiction or
624
:extreme alcoholism problem, I felt
like I've stepped off the crazy bus a
625
:bit early and not many people do that.
626
:And I found that interesting
because, that made me someone
627
:who didn't feel worthy of help.
628
:And I reached out and got help even
though I didn't feel worthy of it.
629
:So I found that whole sort of place
of being stuck between the pub and an
630
:AA meeting where nothing really fitted
to be quite an interesting place.
631
:And I sort of felt like a lot
of people sat there with me
632
:and they didn't have a voice.
633
:And I thought, well, there's going to
634
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: We
635
:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
be a lot of people like me
636
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: Mm
637
:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
And over drink and feel like shit,
638
:but never ever do anything about it.
639
:And I was like, actually, I'm
doing something about this.
640
:So I'm going to, I'm
going to write this down.
641
:And that became my blog, which is
the drunk mummy, sober mummy blog.
642
:And then I met Lucy who.
643
:I was writing an article, she used to run
Beanstalk Single Mums, and she was asking
644
:for articles, and I wrote an article about
what it would be like to be a single mum
645
:and be a drinker, because obviously that
is something people suffer with when
646
:they're lonely, and of course single mums
feel quite lonely and isolated at times
647
:and I sent her the article and she
wrote back to me and said, Oh, actually
648
:I have my own problem with alcohol.
649
:Can I meet you?
650
:And I was like, Whoa, okay.
651
:let's meet up.
652
:And it turned out we were
very, very similar people.
653
:Her drinking,
654
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: hmm.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
a little more extreme than mine.
656
:She was a day in a very different
habit, but very, very similar stories.
657
:And actually that made it all the
more interesting because, we had
658
:different stories, but a similar
sense of humor more than anything else.
659
:She was, she had done podcasts before and
was like, do you want to do one with me?
660
:I was like, yes, we came up with the name.
661
:It was like, how does sobriety feel?
662
:And we're like, it feels fucking awkward.
663
:We called it sober, awkward, and
we recorded it with a little.
664
:Guy that lived around the
corner, our sound guy, Alan.
665
:Lucy gave up drinking three
days after meeting me.
666
:And we started recording the podcast
literally a month after she gave
667
:up drinking and it was like a real
time, , Log of her sobriety journey.
668
:And now I was a few years by
then, but everything she was going
669
:through was so relevant and watching
her, flower and blossom into this
670
:amazing sober being that she is now.
671
:It was just a wonderful
journey for the both of us.
672
:And it just started to become really
popular because we did find it funny.
673
:I didn't know her that well.
674
:So she had a load of stories and I
had a load of stories and kind of
675
:just started telling each other.
676
:But just happened to record it.
677
:So yeah, it became
678
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
yeah,
679
:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
really quickly and we've been doing it
680
:for over, I think this must be, it must
be three and a half years already.
681
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
well I was listening to you in, I stopped
682
:in January 2022 and I was listening
to you, you girls then, it was the two
683
:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yeah.
684
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
I remember a story Lucy was telling and
685
:it was really relevant to me at the time
because I had only recently stopped and
686
:so I felt quite akin to her
just in terms of where I was.
687
:And, she was going to a friend's
birthday party and she'd promised
688
:she was going to go to this party.
689
:And she was talking to you one week
about what that was going to be like
690
:and how she was preparing for it.
691
:And then the next week she came
on and she hadn't been able to go.
692
:And I thought it's just so
brilliant because it's so real.
693
:There's, this is authentic.
694
:This is what happens.
695
:Like you might have to protect yourself.
696
:You might have to say, I'm
not going to come actually.
697
:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Hmm.
698
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
And I remember that being a real
699
:moment for me, like hearing that
700
:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
yeah.
701
:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Cause it's real.
702
:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
It did feel very real.
703
:At the time, it almost didn't feel
like we were doing a recording
704
:because it was actually just two
mates meeting up, finding out what had
705
:been going on and how she was going.
706
:And I used to worry about her because I
was like, Lucy, you can't stay at home.
707
:You can't be a hermit.
708
:You've got to get back into the
world and find out who you are.
709
:. So we were coming from
very different angles.
710
:I was kind of like her sober guru,
like trying to teach her the ways
711
:of sobriety, but she would just
stay at home all the time and I'd
712
:be like, I'm trying to drag her out.
713
:But yeah, I used to get her out.
714
:Occasionally she's moved to
England now with, to be with her
715
:dad, who's been on quite unwell.
716
:So she's, she left the podcast cause
she needed to be a bit more available.
717
:And also talking about sobriety nonstop
forever as your job is not for everybody.
718
:you know, it can just
be a part of your life.
719
:It doesn't have to be your whole
thing like it is for me, like it's my
720
:job and my life and everything else.
721
:It's become ingrained in the two,
but for Lucy, she wanted to wrap
722
:it up into a little box and, and
put it aside and live the rest of
723
:her life, you know, as, as a sober.
724
:person, but not making it such a big deal.
725
:So yeah, she's doing really well.
726
:And then I met Hamish, who's like this
incredible, you know, charismatic,
727
:positive character who I actually
asked to go sober to come on the
728
:podcast, which was really funny.
729
:and what that's done is just create
this whole other audience because
730
:not only is it about people who.
731
:Perhaps question their alcohol intake
and don't get help and about alcoholism.
732
:But now it's also about people who
perhaps never considered themselves
733
:to have any sort of drink problem
and looking at the benefits of giving
734
:up drinking for someone like that.
735
:Which of course, even if you drink
one glass of wine or one glass
736
:of wine a week or one a year,
there are still side effects.
737
:So it's just been amazing to open
up that side for men because, you
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:know, he really resonates with young
men , who are into health and wellness.
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:because some people just give
up for those reasons, which is
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:a perfectly good reason as well.
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:So yeah, it covers all
bases now, sober awkward.
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:And we tend to aim it at anyone
who's ever had a hangover and just
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:say, look, let's look at that and try
and understand it and see if there's
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:anything we can do about that and try
and not have hangovers and what, what
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:life looks like without alcohol and
actually try and be really positive about.
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:Stopping and owning it and
being proud of your sobriety.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
yeah, absolutely.
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:it's brilliant and Hamish is brilliant.
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:Tell him congratulations as
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yeah,
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
the baby.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
I had to go to some meetings in Sydney.
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:I live in near Brisbane and I
flew down to Sydney and I went
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:around for dinner at his house.
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:I hadn't seen him for ages.
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:We recorded a few episodes of the
podcast and then we had dinner.
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:His wife cooked us dinner.
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:She's 10 days to go and I was
looking at her tummy just going,
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:Oh my God, that is really low.
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:I think you're going to have
a baby like the next day.
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:An hour after I left, she went into labor.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Oh, wow.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
meant I was there so I could go the
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:next morning when I met the baby.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Ah, that's so
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
So nice.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Oh, well, congratulations to him and his
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yes.
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:Thank you.
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:. squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
also, just before you go, just your
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:book, I just want to make sure that
everyone knows about it, who's listening,
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:it's brilliant, I've got the audio
version, I've got the, the card copy
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Oh, well done.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
both, because I like to do a bit of
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:walking, and also because you and
Hamish keep telling us to buy them,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yeah,
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
I thought, I'll buy both,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
well done.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
super
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Well done.
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:It's so hard.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: very
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
You can't get the hardback very
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:easily out of Australia because I
only have like a Australian publishing
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:deal so you can get it on Amazon.
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:Probably the best thing to do is to
get the ebook or get it on Amazon.
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:Especially if you're a
podcast listener, I read it.
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:, in my voice and my story, but yeah,
it's the book that I sat down to
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:write six years ago, never believing
in a million years that anyone would
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:ever read it, sent it to probably a.
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:thousand publishers.
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:People often say to me, I don't know
how you've been successful so quickly.
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:I'm like, this has taken years
of elbow grease and hard work and
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:emailing about a billion people a
day to try and get my story heard.
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:So it worked in the end.
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:And yet my book is called
a thousand wasted Sundays.
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:I worked out exactly how many
Sundays I'd wasted in bed being
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:hung over for the last 25 years.
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:And I didn't include the cheeky
Tuesdays or the two for one
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:Thursdays, but it was about.
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:A Thousand Sundays.
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:Yeah.
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:So that's out now.
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:You can buy it.
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:I've got a second book coming out on
the 29th of April about being a parent.
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:Yes.
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:Not about alcohol for once.
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:So that's really exciting.
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:It's about trying to be a good
mum and failing, but hoping that
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:unconditional love is enough.
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:That's all I'll tell you now.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: one
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
It's called mumming.
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:I
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Right, okay, well I'll
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:definitely look out for it.
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:Make sure you let us know on
the podcast when it's out and
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
certainly don't worry.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041: it,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
I'll be shouting it from the rooftops.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
I'm mumming teenagers at the moment,
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
it's terrible, isn't it?
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Yeah, let's not talk about
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:that, we're having a nice time.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Oh good, okay, I'll stop.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Well, thank you so much.,
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:I've thoroughly enjoyed talking to you.
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:It's one of my goals.
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:So thanks for coming on.
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:much appreciated.
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:And yeah, everybody's so awkward.
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:You have to listen to it.
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:It's just brilliant.
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:And buy the book.
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:So thank you, Vic.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Thank you, Vix, and thank
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:you for having me on.
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:It's been really lovely.
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:When you do a podcast, your voice goes out
there and you don't know who it impacts.
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:And it's so lovely to, , just to hear
that, to know that the people hear
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:it and that it does change lives and
it has huge impact on people because
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:otherwise we just don't know that.
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:We just keep doing it.
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:We keep working and we're like, it's.
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:Are people still listening?
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:And you kind of tend to lose
motivation after a while, wondering
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:, if it really is helping people.
848
:And when we get emails, and messages,
and people come up to us and say, thank
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:you, you know, your podcast has really
been instrumental in my sober life.
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:It is such a pleasure to hear it.
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:And it's.
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:So, so amazing to play our
tiny role that we do in the
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:sober lives of so many people.
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:And I couldn't be happier to come and
support you on your podcast as well.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
You've played a massive, massive role in
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:mine and lots of people I know, so to all
three of you, so oh and Alan the Soundman
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Yeah.
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:I'll see him this week.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
Ha ha ha, lovely.
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:vic---sober-awkward_1_02-12-2025_200039:
Nick.
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:squadcaster-1d2e_1_02-12-2025_100041:
well thanks very much Vic, bye!
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:Thank you for listening.
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:To Sabre alcohol-free stories.
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:If this episode helped you, please.
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:Please like share and follow.
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:Or leave a review on pod chaser.
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:Dot com.
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:And if you've got a story to
tell, please contact me on Sabre.
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:A F stories@outlook.com.
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:And don't forget.
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:You can make your catch phrase.
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:I don't drink.