Episode 12
Vic and Anne - Sober, Alcohol Free Stories and becoming the Bright eyed sober girl!
Today I talk to Anne who as a child swore she would never drink having experienced the turbulence of having a parent who did. Anne soon realised in adulthood that she too was turning to alcohol to soothe stress and anxiety. Anne is now alcohol free, has found peace and solace in Jesus and has replaced her anxious existence with a fabulous legacy to her Dad in her Instagram account the Bright eyed Sober Girl!
Transcript
Hi everybody, I'm Victoria
and I don't drink.
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:Today I'm going to talk to Anne, who as
a child had sworn she would never drink
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:the liquid that had stolen her dad.
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:Ironically, in adulthood she found
herself realising that her life had become
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:unmanageable due to her own drinking.
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:Anne found solace in Jesus and in her
father's memory, transforming her anxious
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:existence into one of serenity as the
bright eyed sober girl that she is today.
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: hi Anne.
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:Thank you so much for joining me today.
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:all the way from the USA,
which is very exciting.
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:good to have you on.
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:I've connected with you because a friend
of mine, as I told you, had seen you
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:on Instagram and thought your post
looked wonderful and told me all about
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:you and I had a look at your Instagram
and just thought your life looked as
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:bright as I feel like mine has become.
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:Since I stopped drinking and I
really thought I had to talk to you.
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:So that's why I connected with you.
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:And thank you for agreeing
to come talk to me.
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:As always, I'm going to hand over to you.
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:I just want to know all about
your story and how you got here.
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:And then we'll talk about some
of the wonderful things that
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:it has brought you afterwards.
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:So handing over to you.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
Oh, thank you so much.
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:I feel so honored anytime I'm ever
asked to be a guest on a podcast.
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:It's just a full circle moment
for me because I'm two years and
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:one month and 16 days sober today.
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:And when I think, back to my life.
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:When I was using alcohol, this
was just not even an option.
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:So a lot can change quite quickly,
when we remove alcohol from our life.
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:And so it's just, it's an honor
and I'm so happy to get to
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:be here and to get to share.
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:So I'll just jump in.
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:my sober date is October 4th, 2022.
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:I stopped, one day after my
35th birthday and I had, grown
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:up in a small town in Kentucky.
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:And I had wonderful, I had a wonderful
mom, wonderful grandparents, but.
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:father really struggled
with drugs and alcohol.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
I would make these huge declarations to
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:myself that I would never drink alcohol,
that I would never be like him at all.
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:Um, I loved him, his disease, and it
just, felt crushing as a child to watch
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:your dad struggle so bad with, a liquid.
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:You know, that's what it felt like to me.
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:Just this stupid liquid that always
got, more attention than my mom and I.
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:And it was hard.
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:And so, fast forward a bit though,
um, As life went on, my dad ended up
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:getting arrested and sent to prison,
because of a lot of drug involvement.
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:He was selling drugs, using drugs.
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:I mean, it was a mess.
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:But he ended up getting arrested
and sent to prison when I was 15.
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:obviously that's a pretty traumatic thing
to have happen to you as a 15 year old.
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:I think I just sort of let my guard down
a bit and curiosity got the best of me
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:because my friends were starting to drink.
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:I honestly, just wanted to know
what it was about this liquid
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:that made everyone want it.
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:Um, so.
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:So I got drunk, when I was 15 years
old, at a friend's house and blacked
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:out, have no memory of it really.
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:I woke up that next day and I thought,
nope, I'll never do that again.
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:That was absolutely awful.
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:I don't know why people do this
but it just slowly progressed and
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:I kind of learned how to quote
unquote drink it, not chug it.
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:And it gave me that false
sense of confidence.
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:it felt like that missing piece.
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:You know, I was like, Oh, I
understand why people like this now.
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:But from that moment, like from 15 in
my gut, I feel like I knew, Oh, I don't,
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:I don't really need to be doing this.
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:because there was that disconnect
within myself, even as a young teen.
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:That I told myself as a 10 year
old, I would never do this.
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:but it didn't really get bad for me
until I was in my early twenties.
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:I went to college and
went through a breakup.
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:I feel like college is just a gateway,
because of this freedom you have, um,
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:you know, you don't have anyone you you
should or shouldn't do something, and
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:I turned to alcohol, I was partying a
lot, I was just doing things that sober
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:me would never do, so it was chipping
away at my self worth, my confidence,
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:and was, my mental health was suffering
so badly, I didn't have any tools.
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:I had no coping skills, so
I just turned to alcohol.
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:I just kept turning to alcohol, and it
was really in that season of my life
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:when I was in my early twenties I, I feel
like I started to really recognize that
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:this was not going in a good direction.
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:I don't think I could connect the dot
that it was, causing this extreme anxiety
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:and depression, but I knew I was drinking
too much, and I knew that wasn't healthy.
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:I had no idea how much it
was truly affecting me.
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:during that timeframe, I just
really decided I needed help, but
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:I did not know how to ask for it.
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:And I'm sure people listening.
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:Can understand what that feels like
it's that feeling of isolation and
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:you're the only one and and this in my
early 20s And so I'm gonna pause for
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:a second because I need to back up a
little bit so when my dad was in prison
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:This is like When I was in my twenties,
he had given his life to Christ and
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:that's a big part of my story now and
why I named it the Bride I'd Sober Girl.
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:He ended up getting saved in prison, by
two women who were doing a local outreach.
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:every time they saw him, they
would call him Bride I's.
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:They said, Hey Bride I's, like,
we're so happy to see you.
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:It softened him enough to be
able to receive the truth of who
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:he was that he wasn't just this
criminal and he wasn't this addict.
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:And, you know, it really, when he told
me that, struck a nerve in me because
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:I was also doing the exact same thing.
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:I felt like I was in a prison myself.
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:I felt like I was turning to
something that was, so much harm.
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:just didn't know how to get out.
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:he was sort of behind the scenes
praying for me that I would turn
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:my life over and give it to Jesus.
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:I didn't grow up in church.
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:I did not.
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:Like Jesus sort of felt
like Santa Claus to me.
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:Like it sounded so good in theory,
but it felt more like a character.
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:um, but now I'm going to fast forward
back when I was, in my drinking
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:phase, I was also in beauty school.
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:I'm a hairstylist.
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:And, but one night after I'd been
drinking, just so drunk, I was, I'd felt
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:fallen down, a girl in beauty school.
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:I knew she was a Christian, but I didn't
really know what it was about her.
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:I just knew she always had peace
and was very calm and sound.
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:And so my dad had been praying for me.
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:in prison, for at least a year for
me to, surrender my life to Jesus.
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:And I ended up asking her if we
could meet up at a coffee shop
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:and, she said yes, of course.
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:And ended up meeting up and
I came in just so hungover.
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:I just started bawling, crying.
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:And said, I don't want to keep doing this.
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:my life is just like falling apart.
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:I'm drinking too much, partying too much.
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:And she just like, I'll never forget it.
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:She just said, you know, Ann,
you've tried a lot of things,
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:but you've never tried Jesus.
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:we went to my car and I gave my life
to Christ in a Starbucks parking lot.
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:after that, I share that part because,
That's truly where I got the name,
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:The Bright Eyes Sober Girl, from,
because it's, you know, those two women
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:ministering to my dad, just calling him
bright eyes, and then me finding, Jesus
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:in beauty school, but giving my life to
Christ in a parking lot is just wild.
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:The whole thing's crazy.
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:but then after that, so
this is my early twenties.
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:I just continued partying I think
that process of truly surrendering
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:and laying down what the Lord
had been asking me to lay down.
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:took years because.
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:For eight more years.
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:I just continued doing life on my terms
and doing what I wanted I knew deep
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:down the Lord was asking me to surrender
and lay alcohol down but I didn't want
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:to like I just loved a buzz and when I
really thought figure out this moderation
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:that everyone talked about I wasn't
partying and drinking a ton anymore.
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:I wasn't hiding in a closet drinking.
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:I wasn't drinking every day, but when I
would drink, I just had no off switch.
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:It just became, this cycle of guilt
and shame and deep down knowing that I
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:had so much more in me than hangovers.
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:I just felt like the Lord was knocking
on my heart all the time saying You've
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:got to surrender to this or I'm never
going to be able to give you more.
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:And so that's where it brings
th,:
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:We went out for my 35th birthday
and, nothing crazy happened.
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:sometimes you hear people's stories
and you think they had a terrible car
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:wreck their marriage was ending or
they were going to lose their kids.
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:It wasn't that for me.
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:It was, I just truly woke up, hung over on
the couch, and I just like knew in my gut,
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:in my bones, I could not keep doing this.
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:my daughters at the time
were seven and nine.
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:And I started having those childhood
trauma triggers resurface because I was
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:around the same age that I had made these
huge declarations to myself as a 10 year
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:old that I would never be like my father.
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:And here I was a 35 year old mom on
the couch, And I just looked at my
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:daughters and thought, I cannot do this.
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:I want to model what adulthood
looks like without alcohol.
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:I want to teach them how to do this.
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:I just told my husband that
morning, I said, you know, I'm done.
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:I think he thought I was serious,
but I also think he had heard me
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:say it before, but that time I just,
I knew in my gut that I was done.
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:after that, I threw myself
into learning about alcohol.
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:learning about the science of
alcohol, what it did to the
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:brain, what it did to the body.
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:and that was mind blowing.
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:I always thought it just,
Oh, it just hurts your liver.
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:I had absolutely no idea about how
horrible it was for my mental health,
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:how horrible it was, physically.
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:I was having a lot of, joint pain, A
lot of inflammation from the alcohol.
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:I kept thinking, I don't know what I
thought, maybe age, but I'm not that old,
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:you know, but it just, it was terrible.
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:And, just motivated me so much.
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:Once I heard the science and once I heard
people share their stories on podcasts and
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:that's why now, anytime I'm asked to be a
guest, it's such an honor because I truly.
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:That is, um, for nine months, I.
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:Would listen to podcasts and listen
to other women and men share their
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:stories of hope and how they did it.
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:just gave me so much hope,
so much encouragement, and
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:I knew it could be done.
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: hmm you
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115: and
that, so that's just a little bit about
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:like the backstory of my life and, how now
I feel like anytime I can share my story.
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:about becoming sober.
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:I just always hope that it's worth it.
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:It's a sliver of light for someone
who might be struggling listening
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:because I really, um, I clung
to podcasts in the beginning.
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:I mean, it is how I got sober.
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Yeah,
I completely agree with that.
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:I was a podcast listener as well,
which is why I'm doing this because
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:I walked and walked and walked and
listened and listened and listened and
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:I couldn't get enough of listening to
people who'd done it, but not just for
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:the hope that it's possible because
I knew that I was going to do it.
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:I'm quite determined.
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:I knew this is it I've decided, but
also because it made me feel less weird.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
Yeah.
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: so many things
that I thought, Oh, it's probably just me.
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:You know, the chatter when you're
thinking, Oh, I wonder if I could
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:get another drink or why is everyone
drinking so slow or all of those things.
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:And then all of a sudden you're listening
to all these women who are saying,
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:Oh, yeah, I can't moderate either.
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:I don't have an off switch.
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:I thought that was just me,
there's something wrong with me.
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:So.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
And that's, I remember when I would
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:hear podcasts and the people sharing it.
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:Yes.
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:It made me feel so less alone.
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:Like I wasn't.
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:And it normalized it and you
don't have to be under a bridge.
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:You don't have to have
these crazy rock bottoms.
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:Because for me, I would compare my
drinking to my father and I would
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:think, oh, well, I'm not as bad as him.
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:it kept me stuck, honestly.
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:I knew I wasn't as bad as
my dad, but I was miserable.
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Yeah,
we have that in common as well.
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:So my dad was also a drinker my
dad unfortunately got dementia and
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:became, quite unwell, quite young.
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:Um, and he has since passed
away, I know that he really
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:struggled with it I did not want.
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:that, because I knew how much that
upset me when you were talking,
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:there was so many things you said
that I was thinking, Oh, I mean,
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:my dad did not end up in prison.
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:So that, you know, the stories are
different in that sense, but the feeling
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:is there I wouldn't want for my children
to feel how I felt because it was really
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:hard And I don't believe it was his fault.
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:I know that this is a really
hard thing once it grips.
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:And he did say to me that he
wouldn't wish it on anyone.
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:I know that he wanted to stop
and he actually couldn't.
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:so for me, this is also a
bit of a legacy for him.
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:It's really nice to be able
to say, yeah, we did it, dad.
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:You know, in the end,
one of us did it anyway.
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:And actually my brother also
doesn't drink, which is fabulous.
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:I'm hoping to get him on
my podcast at some point.
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:yeah, that's, that's fairly new.
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:He's become a sober
coach, which is exciting.
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:So lots of things you've said
have really resonated with me.
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:It's nice to hear your story and again,
just, Someone else who felt like I
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:did and how strange that all these
people around the world are sitting,
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:maybe feeling the way that we were
feeling and thinking they're alone.
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:Well, really they're not.
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:There's so many people in
that boat, isn't there?
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
There really is.
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:And, yes, I can also relate
to my dad was in prison for 8.
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:5 years and he was released
he sadly passed away of a
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:heart disease 10 years ago.
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:So I'm with you.
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:It's sort of legacy,
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Yes.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
help people.
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:And that's really my heart behind why I
created the bright ad sober girl, because
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:I just know people struggle and I this
desire within me to, to help other women
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:get off of that hamster wheel cycle
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Yeah.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
the mental gymnastics and the shame
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:and the guilt and the anxiety and just
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Yeah.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
I just knew deep down I wanted
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:to do something to be able to
help people, um, get out of that.
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:Pip.
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:Um,
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115:
well, just telling your story.
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:It really does.
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:It really helps.
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:And you and I know that because
we've been on the end of it.
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:However, you listened to yours.
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:I walked and listened and it gave me
the hope and I'm sure the same for you.
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:So, you know, it works.
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:thank you.
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:It's really, it's really
great that you're doing it.
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:I was thinking, um, When you were
talking earlier, you were saying about
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:the calm, how you wanted the calm thing.
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:And I was speaking to somebody else
about this the other day, how you,
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:you kind of drank when you want, you
wanted this sort of calm feeling.
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:in the end, you only really
get that when you stop.
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:you were looking for that and
you found Jesus, which is an
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:amazing tool for you and has
obviously supported you through it.
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:What other tools have you used?
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:what did you need to do to
actually stop to get through the
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:witching hours and to manage those
initial, beginning few months?
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
I love that question because it's
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:evolved, over the last few years.
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:Two years, but I will say in the
very beginning, it truly was podcast
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:and downloading, books on audible.
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Yeah,
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
Like I said this learning the science
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:truly helped rewire my brain I think.
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: yeah.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
stopped viewing it as a punishment and
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:I started to view it as a privilege.
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:It was just such a gift, but I had to
learn to rewire my brain and I did that
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:by I would walk also, like you said,
I would walk and listen to podcasts.
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:I would cook and listen to podcasts.
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:I would get ready and listen to podcasts.
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:that was my number one tool, the podcast.
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:But then also for me, like you said,
I mean, church is important to me.
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:So going to church, I think another
big tool I used, was therapy.
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:got into, a trauma counselor who's really
helped me, just helped me uncover a
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:lot that I push down, you know, and I,
and really honest about it all, I think
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:most people are trying to cope with
some type of, there's a root usually,
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Yeah.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
causing them to drink.
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:And so doing the therapy work,
has really helped so much.
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:I, Oh, and another thing that helped
a lot, I think connection is huge
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Mm-Hmm.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
that is the cure.
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:I really think once people realize they're
not alone, it's like the magic happens.
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:And so I joined an online sober group
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Mm-Hmm.
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:. Mm-Hmm.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
and so it's connecting with other
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:women in real life, who also going
through the exact same thing you are.
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:And it's just this instant connection,
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Yeah.
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:Mm-Hmm.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
because you know, you're not alone
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:and you're watching other women who
so normal, who aren't under a bridge,
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:losing everything, kind of come out of
this hole they feel like they've been
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:in and you're watching it in real time.
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:So it's so inspiring.
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: I think you
have such a respect for anyone, don't you?
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:Who's doing it Because you know what
it takes to sort of realize and make
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:those decisions and stick to them, and
it is such an empowering thing to do.
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:But it can be hard at the start.
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:And I know what you mean
about the connections that
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:you have with those people.
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:It feels like a family
type feeling, isn't it?
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:It's almost like you, they're not, they're
not friends in the way that your other
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:friends are your friends, but there's
something very different about it.
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:Magic is a good word to use because
there is some magical connection that
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:you can't really describe, but it's
almost like you just want to reach
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:out and grab them and go, well done.
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:And you're amazing.
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:And.
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:And look at all the stuff that you've
done and that you can become and all.
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:It's a, it's a really, it's a really great
community to be in the sober community.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
it really is.
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:I think just knowing,
yeah, you're not alone.
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Yeah.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115: I am
so involved in the sober world now that I
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:truly see it and hear it every single day.
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Yeah.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
you're not the only one struggling.
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:So like your listeners, really hope they
hear that today in my story, like you
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:are not the only one who is struggling
and not have to keep doing this.
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:And you do.
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:Doing it alone.
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:it's just, I think having the courage
to surrender it and accept that
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:you just cannot drink alcohol, it's
not going to help anything and then
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:really with other women or men, you
know, . I just hope they hear that
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:cause that's really important to me
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Yeah.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
like they're just not alone in it.
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Yeah.
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:And I think also what you said around.
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:It doesn't have to have reached
a stage where you've lost
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:everything for you to do that.
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:I think I definitely fell
into grey area drinking.
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:I wasn't somebody who was
drinking in the mornings.
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:I didn't, you know, I didn't
necessarily drink every single day.
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:I mean, I drank a lot of days, but
I didn't fall under that category.
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:You know, people always
ask you, don't they?
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:And I, Oh, were you an alcoholic?
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:And it's like, well, I don't really know.
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but I did regularly wake up and feel
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was high and I wish that I hadn't
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person and all of those things, and
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you can make it based on that.
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feeling those ways, then stopping
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but like I said, when I would
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to stop drinking, I was so afraid of
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closet drinking all the time.
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trying to figure out moderation and
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you just, like I said, like before,
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my gosh, it really is a privilege.
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and it is so much better.
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many people can really do, even
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there's always that little,
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Bright Eyed Sober Girl.
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bright answer, girl, my life now is think
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would want them to mimic.
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when I would drink because I just
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that adulthood meant alcohol.
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I feel so grateful that
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I would be talking about sobriety,
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other women, but it's just been a
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how I would say my life is now.
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of it's a counterfeit.
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hit I'm receiving from alcohol.
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that if you create a life that you
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then you're going to have made it.
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anything or buzz anything up?
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because you get up every day
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tell, I can see it in your face.
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at peace with yourself, which is lovely.
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sharing it with everybody.
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115:
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were the books that you taught?
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said you listened to podcasts.
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top podcasts that really helped you,
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books might be useful for people to know
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something up tomorrow and just explore it.
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The first book, I ever read,
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alcohol is, This Naked Mind by
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Gray.
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a lot of science in it, and I loved that.
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one of my favorites is Sober Powered.
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and like the why behind why you were
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actually the group I'm in.
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:vic-_1_11-21-2024_163115: Give them
a shout out so that anyone can join.
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help host meetings now.
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it's really neat.
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podcasts, but, sober mom life
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I'm so I had downloaded yours and
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loved them because I love the stories.
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I love the stories too.
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have you heard of William Porter?
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while ago, but if you like the science,
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story more than the science actually.
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to talk about the science.
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would probably love to listen to very
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this is actually what's happening.
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think and rewire a bit.
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for you to listen to if you
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your story and I love your accent.
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voice on my podcast as well.
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working with me on the time difference.
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forward to this one going out.
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happens so that you can share it
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and anyone else who wants to listen.
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Yes, oh, well, I love your
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:squadcaster-g3j8_1_11-21-2024_113115: yep.
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right, and thank you so much.
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